Josh ([info]habes) wrote,
Edit: See comments, I've changed my mind on this issue, but left my original writing here to show what my commenters are responding to.

This mosque debate keeps coming up, and shows no signs of going away, so I feel the need to express my opinion.

I'm somewhat distressed that my liberal friends who I usually see eye-to-eye with are almost all quite judgmental of the opinion that there could be any good reason to oppose this particular mosque on this particular site. There seems to be an overriding feeling that religious freedom demands that we not only allow this mosque to be built, but that we also give it our moral support.

My feeling at the moment is that there's not any good basis to actually deny the legal right of the mosque to be built at ground zero, but that I would criticize the imam's decision to move forward with the project at this location. I would join the voices that urge him to move it elsewhere. As Pope John Paul told the Catholic nuns who were going to move into a building near Auschwitz and build a cross there, "keep the idea, move the address."

If we agree that they have a legal right to proceed with the project (just as, by the way, their detractors have a legal right to protest outside it every day of its existence if they decide to) we can stop talking in terms of a religious freedom question and ask the more interesting question of whether it's a good idea that deserves our moral support.

The self-stated mission of the Cordoba Initiative is to improve Muslim-West relations. But this building hasn't even been built yet and already the project is worsening Muslim-West relations. To build bridges and cultivate trust you have to be sensitive to the other side. What if a Christian organization built a center like this in a Muslim country, but put a picture of Muhammad on the side? It would be an instant fail, even if their genuine intention was to improve relations.

I think the analogies are useful: an American cultural center at Hiroshima in 1954, or at Dresden? A German cultural center at Auschwitz in 1954, or on the beaches of Normandy? The analogies help because they take the "religious freedom" argument out of it. If we grant that the project is legal (thus satisfying religious freedom), it's becomes a question of whether the gesture is sensitive or not and whether we should give it moral support.

I don't think it's unreasonable to petition the imam to relocate this center. The US is almost 4 million square miles in area. New York City alone is 500 square miles. Why must this center be built on the 0.000025% of the country where Islamic extremists attacked us? Why would a center devoted to building east/west relations want to evoke that memory which is still quite fresh in people's minds? Why does the imam resist a land swap arrangement, which could be the perfect compromise -- allowing the center to be built without causing offense to >50% of Americans -- without any explanation but that the project will continue according to plan? I just find it hard to believe that someone who is already creating such division and mistrust is going to build east/west relations once the project is actually built.

Are there bigots who are opposing this just because they don't like Islam? Are there people who truly don't respect religious freedom? Probably. I haven't really read anything from people like that, but I'm sure they're out there. Don't let such people side-track the debate.

The point is that this project is achieving the opposite of its stated goal by uncompromisingly moving forward with a plan that is insensitive to the very Westerners it is trying to build trust with. What they're doing might be legal, but I think it's a bad idea and this is why I oppose it from a moral standpoint, though I don't deny that they have the right to build it.

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[info]philedry

August 21 2010, 23:37:07 UTC 1 year ago

Josh, America nuked Hiroshima. The Catholic church is arguably a fault for not actively stopping the Holocaust. This isn't an Al Qaida center, it's a Muslim center. And it's morally supportable for many reasons, one being because it tells the sane Muslim world that we don't hate Islam. Right now, anti-west Islamic media must be having a field day with people who, unlike you, actually hate Muslims and protest with anti-Islamic hate signs. This is morally indefensible, yet also legal. It also fuels anti-west sentiments.

[info]triath

August 22 2010, 03:28:40 UTC 1 year ago

Um...except that the mosque isn't being built AT the former world trade center, it's being built blocks away. Interestingly enough, it's further away than a pre-existing mosque.

How far away is far enough? Maybe we should ban mosques in NYC.

[info]leech

August 22 2010, 05:47:53 UTC 1 year ago

The project is not what's worsening relations. The xenophobic public figures who are trying to rile the populace are the ones worsening relations. If not for the likes of Gingrich and Palin, there wouldn't be all this hot air: the founder's alleged (yet nonexistent) extremist connections, calling a community center a "mosque", calling a site two blocks away from the WTC "Ground Zero". This is the same fearmongering propaganda they've been feeding the American public for the last decade. (It works very well. Look at the protests regarding the building of mosques all over the country.) And they get away looking squeaky-clean, where the Muslim community has to look "divisive" because they didn't want to sacrifice their religious freedom to a bunch of bigots.

There is no justification for offense in the first place without the implicit guilt by association of all Muslims for the actions of Al Qaeda. I reject this entirely, and I absolutely reject the notion that it is worthwhile to avoid offending people when the reasons for their offense are based on bigotry. When the Civil Rights Act ended segregation, I'm sure plenty of white people were offended by blacks moving into their schools and neighborhoods.

[info]leech

August 22 2010, 06:19:59 UTC 1 year ago

Here's how the controversy started. Judge for yourself who bears the responsibility for worsened relations with the Muslim community.

[info]habes

August 22 2010, 06:53:40 UTC 1 year ago

Thanks for posting this -- I think it has changed my mind. I wasn't aware that the plans had previously been public for a while without controversy. It suggests to me that without the right wing's misleading and inflamed rhetoric, the victims' sensitivities would not have been offended to begin with.

[info]philedry

August 22 2010, 14:51:58 UTC 1 year ago

Wow, that link is pretty eye-opening.

[info]habes

August 22 2010, 07:34:58 UTC 1 year ago

Also I watched the Interview with the imam's wife and was genuinely impressed. I feel like the place would be in good hands.

I do wish they would make some public statement though, explaining their reasoning for not wanting to move and to make their good intentions perfectly clear.

[info]leech

August 22 2010, 15:48:12 UTC 1 year ago

Like this?
But, why not build it a little bit farther away? Let’s say a mile away?

No one should be driven out of his or her own neighborhood – especially for religious reasons. It is unconstitutional and un-American. Our congregation has been peacefully worshipping in this area for almost three decades. Our neighbors have encouraged us to remain here and the City and the Community Board have encouraged our continued presence here. The community has backed up their support by approving every resolution and challenge in the community center’s favor.
But I'm not trying to score rhetorical points here. The reason you're not already familiar with their arguments is that the media has provided little or no coverage of the actual views of the people behind this project. It's a debate about Muslims, not a debate with Muslims. Their voices not a part of our public discourse, and that's why the right wing can demonize them with little risk of backlash.

As a side note, it is completely false that the victims' sensitivities are uniformly offended.

[info]habes

August 22 2010, 22:41:00 UTC 1 year ago

I didn't say "uniformly offended," very little is uniform about any randomly selected population. There does seem to be a critical mass of victims who are offended. But as I mentioned, my mind is changed about this.

I was also impressed with this press conference with the imam.

I agree with you that the positions of Muslims are not adequately represented in the mainstream media.

[info]habes

August 22 2010, 22:52:27 UTC 1 year ago

My initial inclination was to believe that some of the responsibility for the lack of the CI's message in the media was the fault of the CI itself; it appears that someone who is actually qualified to make this judgment agrees with me: "Without weighing in on its merits, the PR and web failures of this initiative are exhaustive and severe." I'm sure that the media doesn't do a great job of representing the Muslim viewpoint, but the CI isn't doing a great job of PR either.

[info]mbrubeck

August 22 2010, 19:47:35 UTC 1 year ago

Around 10% of NYC residents are Muslim, so it seems reasonable to estimate that dozens to hundreds of victims in the World Trade Center attack were Muslim. It seems perverse to "respect" their loss by asking their families not to worship in the neighborhood where their loved ones lived, worked, and were killed.
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